گروه خودشناسی: Re: [Khodshenasi] Re: meditation

salam agha mansour

Mamnoon az pasokhe shoma be email e man. kheili khoob eshare kardid ke ma dar bahshayeman va esrar bar ravashhayeman faghat hoviat fekri ra faaltar mikonim va be nazaram agar dar meditationi nazere saket faal shavad na nazer control konandeh in meditation bessiar arzeshmand ast.

mayelam ke agar ketabi raje be vippassana mishenasid moarefi konid.

ba tashakor

manban42 <manban42@yahoo.com> wrote:

Ba salam be hameye doostan va agha Ahad:

1- Ba shoma movafegham ke meditation asil va gheir asil darim. vali
aya natije avali rahaee ast? Pas shoma ya har fardi ke meditation
asil ra tamrin konad bayad foran be rahaeei beresad! Az yek nazar
tanha meditationi asil ast ke be rahaeei fard monjar shaved. Pas dar
noe asil ham faghat akharin meditation moanjar be rahaeei, vaghean
asil ast!!!

2- Be nazar miresad ke shoma ba meditation vagheei movafeghid. Ama
dar meditation vagheei che chiz taghviat mishavad? Markaz ya varaye
markaz? Be nazar man dar meditatin vagheei chizi varaye markaz
taghviat mishavad. Haman nazer saket daroon ya fetrat ya har esm
digari ke doost darid. Dar meditation vipassana haman nazer saket
daroon ya fetrat taghviat mishavad. Yek ellat mokhalefat aghaye
Mosaffa ba raveshhaye ravanshenasi hamin ast ke in raveshha markaz
fekr konnande ra taghviat mikonnad va az an faratar nemiravand.

3- Albate be nazar man mofid boodan har ravesh ham be fard tamrin
konnande an bastegi darad. Hamin bahshaye khodshenasi system aghaye
Mosaffa ra agar adam jedi donbal konad ya shookhi begirad tafavot
khahd kard. Meditation vagheei va hata gheyr vagheei ham hamin halat
ra darad. Khode aghaye mosaffa ham az system ghalat Hoornai kheili
estefade bord faghat be dalil jedi boodane khodash!! (na system).

4- Aya shoma khod be in natije rasideid ya naghl ghol ast? Aghar
khod rasideid besiar arzeshmand ast. Aya tamam systemhaye
meditation ra test kardeid? Be nazaram tajrebeye shakhsi mohemtar az
naghl ghol ast. Khod man az moraghebeye vipassana bessiar estefade
bordam. Ba moraghebeye pishnahadi mosaffa shebahat darad vali be
nazar man kamel tar ast. TM ra ham tajrobe kardam kheili be mazagham
joor nayamad. Albate dar an kheili ham jedi naboodam! Migoftand: be
dalil tekrar lafz amigh nist va chizhaeei shabih be harfhaye shoma!
Albate shayad baraye digaran mofid bashad.

5- Be nazar man hamin bahs va jadalha va ravesh man behtar ast ya
to!? Va in teori pardazihaye mahz va naghl gholhaye bedoon tajrebe
va hes shakhsi va darooni kheili bishtar be taghviat markaz ya
hoviat fekri mianjamad ta hatta meditation gheyr vagheei. Zira dar
lahazati dar har meditation momken ast fetrat ya varaye markaz faal
shaved. Valli dar bahs faghat markaz baad! mikonad!!!

NOKTE: Choon farsi rahat taram aval farsi nevashtam( font Tahoma 14)
baad az an fingilish! ( arial 16) va har 2 ra post mikonam!! ta
kodam maghbool oftad. (ta be hal rah monasbi ke betavanam khoob
farsi benevisam ke ghabel khandan baraye hame bashad peida nakardam
be hamin dalil har do shekl ra neveshtam)

Eradatmand shoma!
Mansour

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--- In khodshenasi@yahoogroups.com, ahad issavi <issavi_ahad@...>
wrote:
>
> ba salam
>
> tedadi az doostan az mofid boodan meditation sohbat mikonand.
> be nazar miresad ke meditation taht anavin mokhtalaf ba
systemhaye goonagoon rayej ast. systemhaye moteaddedi mikhahand
ensan ro be meditation rahnemoon shavand. vali soal injast ke aya
vaghean chizi ke in systemha nahayatan dar ensan ijad mikonand
meditation ast ya noe khassi az halate zehni ya behtar begooeim
daraje ghavitari az halat khodeshari.
>
> be nazar miresad ke in systemha nahayatan faghat halat
khodeshari ra dar ensan taghviat mikonand.
>
> hal bayad porsid khodeshari chist?
>
> aya khodeshaari chizi joda az hozoore ghavitar markaz (markaz
beghole krishna) mibashad?
>
> nahayatan mitavan goft ke meditation inha faghat be taghviat
markaz mianjamad.
> oosoolan har ja ke sohbat az system ast va teye marahele khassi
be jostejoogar nahveye meditation ra yad midahand mitavan be jorat
goft ke jostejoogar faghat dar jahate taghviat hoviat fekri gam
bardashte ast na meditation vagheei.
>
> jaleb ast ke jostejoogar taghviat hozor markaz ra ke be control
kardan fekrhaye digar mianjamad ra be hessab pishraft migozarad va
ehsase rezaiat az in taghire halate zehni (ke baz khod az noe hoviat
fekri ast) ra govahe in pishraft migirad.
>
>
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